SEO Tools suck?

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:51 am

Today a colleague praised me for the incredible job i've done by creating a WCMS that pushes the website to the 1st google results page within a week and google marking it as 94% as fast as the fastest google page.

It proved that well designed websites with PHP can be amongst the top rated websites with little effort.

But, what does that say about all those SEO websites asking 1000's of kaching!

$ to improve search results without result?

They suck! hehehehe

What is your opinion/experience?

registered · Site Admin Joined: Jun 04, 2004 Posts: 6437

Was that paid praise or organic praise? Wink

Many of the SEO company use paid advertising to improve search placement, and that's fine - if you don't need long term results or have the kaching!

to keep paying...

Others improve on-page factors and suggest content changes, which can also help.

Many charge for link spamming (aka offsite links), which can help, but usually hurts more...

So, I would say - if you don't have the knowledge or time, you can pay for on-page improvements. But you'll most likely get ripped off paying for links.

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 2:57 pm

I think it quite often depends on the keywords you want to be 1st for.

If there is not much competition for those keywords then it is easy to get on page 1 and even become 1st in the listing.

If there is more competition for those keywords then you can spend hours trying to optimise your site and that would be the same for a PHP site as it would be for a HTML site.

The problem with PHP sites is that generally you have less control over the structure of the page and therefore it makes it more difficult to optimise the page, but the right content is always key.

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:23 am

SEO is an ongoing process and you need to controll your ranking in the future too. Search engine optimizing is time consuming if you do it in a serious way.
Only if you can hold #1- #3 in search engines for a long time you are really good. So let us know your result in 6 month and 1 year later again. Smile

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It proved that well designed websites with PHP can be amongst the top rated websites with little effort.

No, I don´t agree completely.

registered · Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 7:58 pm

I have found SEO work to be a daunting task! completely imperfect and some what / very "corrupt" for example Google. One of the major factors to a good PR is how many top PR's link back to you (backlinks). I'm new to this but trying some techniques that hopefully work. One is submitting to directories, you can buy software for this or you can pay someone. It is relatively cheap. There are other methods "black hat" methods which usually take advantage of blogs. Let's not get started with Alexa, your ranked is strictly based on how many users with their toolbar enter your site. Well in my case I have an older type of visitor to our business site, so my luck they have installed the Alexa toolbar is no chance to fat chance. There are ways to get around it, install the toolbar on everyone's PC you know, post in Asian social networks because the Alexa toolbar tends to be very popular there, use sites like stumbleupon to your advantage and submit to social networking sites. Now what does all this b.s. say if you have a good website with good product or not Confused

It is frustrating to say the least! I have found yahoo's search to be far less corrupt then google. In any case I have very new sites, with very competitive key words to fight for, so it will be interesting to see how I do Neutral

keep fingers crossed for me! and good luck to all of you fighting the same battle! anyone know of any good pointers, send them my way... I need them Laughing

jc

registered · Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:31 am

djmaze wrote:

It proved that well designed websites with PHP can be amongst the top rated websites with little effort.

You think that is all it takes? Ask Matt Cutts what he thinks about that statement... Wink

You and I both know there are 100's of variables to the SERP equation, only a few of which are impacted by your statement.

But, I also know that you are intentionally being "controversial". Should be a fun "discussion"...

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:42 am

montego wrote:

You think that is all it takes?.

hehehe, i know it's controversial and many say they found the golden egg when it comes to seo rankings.
However, it all depends how someone is searching.
"register domain" doesn't have the exact same results as "domain register"

The trick is to know how your target audience uses a search engine.
Do they write sentences? Do they only use important words? etc. etc. etc.
Oh, and not to mention which country the visitor is from and his browser preferred language.

The site i mention hits 1st google page on google.nl
http://www.google.nl/search?q=404+pagina+niet+gevonden (3rd link)
But not on google.de
http://www.google.de/search?q=404+pagina+niet+gevonden

NeapolitanWorld mentions PR's (backlinks) but www.bysonlinemarketing.nl (PR 4/10) has none of any importance!
http://www.google.nl/search?&q=link%3Awww.bysonlinemarketing.nl

So the question is: why does it get on page 1 and does the target audience really use that phrase?
This actually is the question which jakec says.

Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:09 pm

I agree on the PR, I tend to ignore these because I don't believe that it makes a difference with regards to your placing in the search engine results. JMO

Also as you say the exact order of the words can deliver different results. If it is an error message in theory it should be easier to guess what the user is going to type because they are fairly standard, but anything else can be difficult to get inside peoples minds and think what they will type. Good keyword research can help with this and you don't need to pay someone to do it. either.

Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:53 am

djmaze, I misunderstood your original statement of "well designed websites with PHP" to mean technically well designed. Based upon your follow-up response, what you seem to be talking about is "well designed website content"? If that is the case, I could not agree more.

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dont be too much happy.may be its due to sandbox effect.so there is chance to go down the order

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After being a P/R 6 for so long, then a 5, then a 6, and back to 5, I've determined that Google P/R pretty well sucks and is grossly over-rated. Just my opinion, of course Wink

Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 9:18 am

Totally agree seriously I've never installed the PR plug-in or looked up a site's PR as a surfer. While it is a somewhat valid benchmark of progress what for example could be more relevant to RavenNuke then www.ravenphpscripts.com ?

Getting returned in the top 5 search results for relevant keywords on the other hand...

Regular Joined: Mar 06, 2010 Posts: 79

montego wrote:

You think that is all it takes? Ask Matt Cutts what he thinks about that statement... Wink

thanks for the name Mr.montego. i think u guys should watch this video.

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Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 9:25 am

Yes, I do like Mr. Cutts' videos. He has a whole series of them on YouTube as well. I also follow his blog.

This panel pretty much validates my statement here:

montego wrote:

...what you seem to be talking about is "well designed website content"? If that is the case, I could not agree more.

While RavenNuke(tm) has some excellent tools for managing dynamic <head></head> content (thanks to kguske and team), there is no substitute for making sure your content is well structured, relevant, and rich. One needs to pay attention to how potential "customers" are going to search for your site and make sure your title, keywords and descriptions in the meta are a good compliment to the content on the page.

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:55 am

fernades wrote:

dont be too much happy.may be its due to sandbox effect.so there is chance to go down the order

Yes, dropped two places (5th now). That still isn't bad out of 34.600 results Smile

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 3:50 am

Yes ! I Agree with you. But a small correction should be needed. Not only for sites developed in PHP, for any website which is SEO friendly then it will be crawled very fastly by search engines. The best example is that WordPress.