In this day and age I expected as much...

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Now I don't know your personal feelings on assisted suicide but from a biblical standpoint it, seems to me, a one way ticket to hell. I saw today in the New York Times that in Oregon it is legal to receive a lethal dose of medicine if you have been diagnosed with a terminal illness and have less than 6 months to live. I did not know this... I brought it up to a couple of people where I work and no one seemed to get too up in arms about it... now I am not a "bible thumper" but if the situation presents itself I do not hesitate to spread the Word . I have my own faults as we all do but when no one was getting to riled up about this it brought me down... I just wanted to post about it and get it off my chest... I don't even no where i want to go with this but I just wanted to let it out. More and more people are being desensitized to God and his Word... I am also not a doomsayer, I know that awareness for the Lord is also high right now which is a good thing but it just seems like we are in a downward spiral... /rant

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According to Christ's own words and teachings, the manner in which you die has no determination on heaven or hell. It matters not who you are, who you know, what church you belong to, race, creed, religious beliefs, or how rich you are. He clearly states "No man cometh to the Father but by Me". This link states it all http://misslink.org/chapel/plan.html . I do not know the site, nor the people behind it. But, what they say on that page I believe with all my heart and soul and I prayed that prayer on June 10, 1970, and I know that when I die, regardless of HOW I die, I will meet Jesus in heaven because he promised me.

Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 1:58 pm

Raven, while I agree with you on the prayer and I myself have been saved...
I feel that suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem... whether temporary physically or mentally depression and the like..

I watched my father die and I prayed for God to take him I was even angry with God for a time but I also believe all the following:

You are not your own, you are bought with a price..."
(1 Corinthians 6:20)

God has a plan for each life, established at conception.

Psalms 139:13-16 For thou hast ... covered me in my mother's womb. I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made... My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret... Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

Isaiah 49:1, 5 The Lord hath called me from the womb, from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name ... to be his servant, to bring Jacob again unto him...

What drives a person to desire death?

A. Guilt.

Matthew 27:3-5 When Judas, who had betrayed him, saw that Jesus was condemned, he was seized with remorse and returned the thirty silver coins to the chief priests and the elders. ‘I have sinned,’ he said, ‘for I have betrayed innocent blood.’... So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself.

B. Physical pain, exhaustion and lack of sleep; mental depression.

Job 3:1-26; 6:8-11; 14:13

Job 7:1-6, 15, 16 ... wearisome nights are appointed to me. When I lie down, I say, When shall I arise, and the night be gone? and I am full of tossings to and fro unto the dawning of the day. My flesh is clothed with worms and clods of dust; my skin is broken, and become loathsome. My days are ... spent without hope.... So that my soul chooseth strangling, and death rather than my life. I loathe it; I would not live alway: let me alone; for my days are vanity.

Job 10:1 My soul is weary of my life; I will leave my complaint upon myself; I will speak in the bitterness of my soul.

Jonah 4:8 ... and the sun beat upon the head of Jonah, that he fainted, and wished in himself to die, and said, It is better for me to die than to live.

C. Mental illness; demonic possession.

Matthew 8:28 ...there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.

Mark 5:2-5 ...there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit, Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains... And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.

Luke 8:27 ...there met him out of the city a certain man, which had devils long time, and ware no clothes, neither abode in any house, but in the tombs.

D. Revenge.

Judges 16:23-31 Then Samson prayed to the LORD, ‘...O God, please strengthen me just once more, and let me with one blow get revenge on the Philistines for my two eyes.’ Then Samson reached toward the two central pillars on which the temple stood. Bracing himself against them,... Samson said, ‘Let me die with the Philistines!’ Then he pushed with all his might, and down came the temple on the rulers and all the people in it.

E. Stress (overburdened with a sense of responsibility).

Numbers 11:11-15 And Moses said unto the Lord, Wherefore hast thou afflicted thy servant? and wherefore have I not found favour in thy sight, that thou layest the burden of all this people upon me? Have I conceived all this people? have I begotten them...? Whence should I have flesh to give unto all this people? for they weep unto me, saying, Give us flesh, that we may eat. I am not able to bear all this people alone, because it is too heavy for me. And if thou deal thus with me, kill me, I pray thee...

F. Rejection of advice.

2 Samuel 17:23 When Ahithophel saw that his advice had not been followed, he ... put his house in order and then hanged himself....

G. Pride or shame (disgrace).

Judges 9:50-54 ... a woman dropped an upper millstone on his head and cracked his skull. Hurriedly he called to his armor-bearer, 'Draw your sword and kill me, so that they can't say, ‘A woman killed him.’ So his servant ran him through, and he died.
[As with Sisera (Judges 4), of whom it was said a woman drove a tent peg through his skull]

H. Despair.

Jeremiah 8:3 And death shall be chosen rather than life by all the residue of them that remain of this evil family...

Revelation 9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

I. Discouragement or fear.

Acts 16:27 And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have killed himself, supposing that the prisoners had been fled.

J. Rebellion; defeat (pride) in battle.

1 Kings 16:15-20 ...When Zimri saw that the city was taken, he went into the citadel of the royal palace and set the palace on fire around him. So he died, because of the sins he had committed, doing evil in the eyes of the LORD and walking in the ways of Jeroboam and in the sin he had committed and had caused Israel to commit.

1 Samuel 31:2-5 (cp. 1 Chronicles 10:4-5) The Philistines pressed hard after Saul and his sons, and they killed his sons Jonathan, Abinadab and Malki-Shua. The fighting grew fierce around Saul, and when the archers overtook him, they wounded him critically. Saul said to his armor-bearer, ‘Draw your sword and run me through, or these uncircumcised fellows will come and run me through and abuse me.’ But his armor-bearer was terrified and would not do it; so Saul took his own sword and fell on it. When the armor-bearer saw that Saul was dead, he too fell on his sword and died with him.

These are all things that can be conquered through Christ who strengthens us. All things are possible through Christ Jesus. We will never be given anything that we can't handle through his help...

Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:53 pm

Maybe I misunderstood the intent of you original post. Death was never a part of God's plan. Regardless, through one man's sin, all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Salvation is the safety net, regardless of how hard and how far we fall Wink

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2004 7:38 am

AMEN!!