New PHP Nuke Co-operative !!!!!!!!!!!

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:18 pm

Hi all PHP Nukers

Are you php nuke site owner who has:-

No or very few members?
Little site activity?
A low number of hits?
Problems with site contents?
Errors in site code?
No one linking to your site?

Or are you looking for:

New ideas?
Help?
Information?
New content?
New contacts with fellow webmasters?
Refferal links to your site?
Better marketing of your site?
Ways to increase your member list?

Well look no further!

Today I came up with an idea to start a Co-operative community for site owners whose websites are based on PHP nuke.

What do you have to do?

Join my site at http://www.net-goodies.co.uk
Earn at least 150 points to gain "Rookie" status. (This is to prove you are commited to the community and not just a link dropper.
Add your site to the Net Goodies PHP Nuke Co-Op List.

Whats the catch?

Theres no catch. But there are terms.

Terms

All members agree to allow their email address to be shared with all others on the list.
All members agree to sign-up and participate to all other members sites.
That is the basic terms as the idea is in its infancy and the community will decide on which way forward it will go.

So give it a go if you dont then reply why not.

Regards Martyn
Net Goodies.

Sells PC To Pay For Divorce Joined: Posts: 5661

well i dont wanna sound all negativ but your site is near to almost empty.
a few games...a lot of buying stuff, and absolutely no content whatsoever..

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:13 pm

Hi hitwalker
Your spot on. Its a new site and I am trying to get it off the ground. The site will grow with the members adding content but with hardley any memberships that is not happening.
I need people to take the plunge and sign up and participate! How else am I going to start off? I have many ideas to share but I cant seem to get it off the ground!
Thanks for taking the time to look.
Regards
Martyn

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:24 pm

well dont take it personal.
im just a guy that looks at things in a simple way,sometimes that helps,or not ...
point is that you are trying to set something up something as a link me,link you...a type of piramide ...
a way of website promotion...but problem for you is that there are so many ways by now that it isnt interesting anymore.
The old fashioned link-me button is nice but thats only when the total is like 5 or 10.

But i know a few sites that have 30 or more buttons.
So how big is the chance someone notices you then.

This is just an example...

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 5:22 pm

Really, I would not share my email adress." All members agree to allow their email address to be shared with all others on the list". Fine do you trust all your members ?
There are a lot of spammers around the internet.
Or have I misunderstanding this ?
And what I really hate is a lot of shopping links and prices on a new site without enough content. Money, money it´s so funny.
Also the design isn´t great.
But of course that´s only my opinion.
Your keywords and describtion is really bad. You need to change this.
And why are u using so many !!! in your title ? Our youngest member age 10 use such things for his titles.
OK. it´s a new site therefore,don´t take it personal. I agree what Hitwalker said.

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 5:57 pm

wauw susannn,your even harder then me....lol
sad but true yes...

But it isnt easy these days to come up with an nice idea.
But before he started he would have better did some research on this.
For the things he likes to do the nuke world already has a bunch of big players..
So that would be one tough cookie getting enough people interested.
As for the email stuff...
Well thats not a big deal...for every type of contact we can create addresses...,but that makes the idea of sharing completely useless cause they are realy dump mail...

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 6:05 pm

I ´m only honest.

"But before he started he would have better did some research on this"

Yes that´s true. I know only about the German Nuke World. And it´s really not easy for new sites.I think he can forget the Nukers.

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 6:38 pm

OK, mine may sound even harsher.... Please don't take it that way though. I am just offering my opinions and insight here.

A site that proposes to help Nuke site operators gain traffic by cross linking to death? An excellent idea for getting your site on the Google index service ban list. More and more search engines are beginning to frown on this type of "facade" and are taking action to prevent yet more useless clutter in their databases. Research my point and you'll see what I mean.

Quote:

Your spot on. Its a new site and I am trying to get it off the ground. The site will grow with the members adding content but with hardly any memberships that is not happening.
I need people to take the plunge and sign up and participate! How else am I going to start off? I have many ideas to share but I cant seem to get it off the ground!

So what you are saying in essence is that without us doing your job for you (creating useful content for you), your site will not get off the ground? kinda makes your initial post seem a bit ridiculous in my honest opinion.

As for the email address issue... well let me just say that I get enough spam as it is and really am not interested in making it any easier for the spammers. No offense intended.

Bottom line? It creates an interesting and long overdue question. Just because a person can create a PHP-Nuke website, does that mean that they should?

Many folks find the ease of PHP-Nuke too good to pass up. Some create sites with good intentions but many do so just because they can. I am not saying that this is the case with you of course. But if you look around you can see what I mean. All too often we see new sites pop up promising support and help etc... Then when we visit the site to see what the hype is about we end up seeing the all too typical welcome message:

Quote:

Welcom to SITENAME, we ar her to help peeples with PHPNuke and stuff. We ar stil wurkin on the sit right now so check back laterz cause we ar gonna rock!

NOTE: The misspellings were intentional. I see that problem more than you could possibly realize. *LOL* Making a typo in the forum is one thing. Making a typo (or many) on the home page of a site is terrible.

I bring all of this to light just to make a point. Putting together a useful site, PHP-Nuke or otherwise really relies on excellent research and a plan. It is very similar to starting up a business. Without the research and an excellent game plan (think direction and purpose) a site is just more useless clutter on the internet.

PHP-Nuke Platinum helped this problem along BIG TIME. Some of you know exactly what I am talking about... *LMAO* For a while there anyone and everyone who shouldn't have a site...well they had one and were posting visit my site links on every major PHP-Nuke site...and yes, typos and illiteracy abounded. *LOL*

Just my opinions. No offense intended toward anyone.

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 7:03 pm

I didn't want to say anything negative, but..

1) I don't share my email address with anyone unless I feel very comfortable with them and would not participate on any domain that shared my email address without my consent. (which I would never give anyway)

2) I provide technical support on 3 or 4 sites and would never agree to any terms that I "have to" participate anywhere else. I mean no offense, but I have my hands full as it is and trust me when I tell you that there will be sites that I have no interest in participating in. If people want to Volunteer to participate anywhere; fine, but any other scenario is rediculous, unless you are going to write me a check every month. Smile

3) Purposeful cross-linking for promotion is a bad idea as already identified.

4) There are a ton of Nuke information sites out there already. While you might see what you want to do as unique, in actuality it is not. If you really wanted to tackle this issue, you should concentrate on having all of your site and page issues cleaned up, have some good original content and provide a service or feature that isn't offered at 20 other places already. Having no content meant that I wasn't even interested in registering.

5) lol, I don't do minimum points for a status. I mean, cummon... 150 Points for a Rookie Rating? ROTFL

I mean no offense, but um.... well.. forget it.. I think everyone knows what I mean. Another reason why I really hate the Points mod.

Just my two cents, take it for what little it is worth. Take it with a grain of salt.
Steph

Site Admin/Owner Joined: Aug 27, 2002 Posts: 17088

BTW, netgoodies, welcome to the nuke community - land of happiness and opportunity ROTFL

Involved Joined: Oct 09, 2004 Posts: 293

netgoodies...u are trying to get your site off the ground
The only concept that does have a little mert is the link part...even that is 'dicky'
Sites that deleve into mass linking soon get knocked back by may search engines.

Your best bet to get a site off the ground is
1st patence, dont force it
2/provide content that HAS are market, and present it in a manner convenient to the 'client'
3/GT it
4/set up good meta tags
5/set up robots.txt with only content that is usefull to search engines..not repy/accounts, quote, regist, etc
6/Create dynamic meta tags
7/corrospond with some sites (4 or 5)that deal in same for similar subjects, are in the top 3 pages of google/msn/yahoo and exchange links with just them. (this will get u on search engines within a couple days...if u submit can take weeks no need to do that at all)
8/Create a good site map that doesnt conflict with robots.txt.

1 & 2 & 7 are essenttual
3 & 4 almost essentual
5 & 6 & 8 help heaps

Within these forums u will find info on all of the above

A note as to your site..it loads re slow..that puts ppl off right away
Another issue...u have a heap of downloads all linked to other sites like download3000.com do u have permission to do so?

In effrect u have a site that offers no service other than to leach off other sites

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 3:52 am

Hi all
Many thanks for your comments which I certainly dont take personally.

This is my first PHP Nuke powered site and still in the learning stage and yes I do see I have fallen into some quite obvious pitfalls. Maybe I got myself into a panic and saw my signup to hits ratio was so very poor.

All your comments are usefull and I will take them onboard and rethink the way my first site is to go.

With the link to me link to you mod, I never intended it to get out of hand I would limit it to 10-20 or so. I do understand the importance of not having to much cross linking. All I wanted was to encourage newbies like myself to join forces and help each other and give each other a kick start.

As for the "All members agree to allow their email address to be shared with all others on the list". It was to pass on each others details to one and other. "Fine do you trust all your members ? Maybe your right and would have to think this one through better to protect my PHP co-op members.

The shopping links is there to add income from my site but I am trying to push the shopping resource to the background and bring to the front the content that will hold my members. The income from my site will be important as it would be my only source of income since I am unble to work due to my battle with cancer.

"The design isn´t great." Well I am always going to endevour to improve the site both in content and design. It is not going to be a site that will stagnate and be left to run on its own.

Keywords, titles and other metatags are being worked on.

"So what you are saying in essence is that without us doing your job for you (creating useful content for you), your site will not get off the ground? kinda makes your initial post seem a bit ridiculous in my honest opinion." The content I was refering to was the forums, shout box blogs and articles my members would post. I am not expecting them to build my site for me but I would listen to the general concensus of my members of what they would like and I would do my best to bring it to them.

"Just because a person can create a PHP-Nuke website, does that mean that they should?" ...... Well my answer is a definate yes. Lets not dicourage people like myself who make mistakes, lets help them build a better site. "You can't swim very well mate so if I was you I wouldn't bother" Is not the attitude to take is it? The concept behind the PHP Nuke program is that it is THE complete solution for any webmaster or wannabe webmaster who would like to develop and manage his own content without advanced knowledge of databases or site development. Newbies like myself are attracted to PHP Nuke becuase of its ease and the resources available are vast to add to, to learn and to get advice. It possesses the world's biggest support community for the project..... so what can better it? My questions to you curtisH and everyone else is ... Is a PHP nuke site just for the experts and not for those who struggle to get that perfect site first time around? Should a php nuke site be just about php nuke and offer php scripts mods blocks and nothing else?

64bitguy .... Just my two cents, take it for what little it is worth... and Steptoe...was worth it thanks you have provoked me to think it through better.

So thanks all you guys for the replies, I am not angered by any of the comments and will now go back to the drawing board to implement your suggestions and maybe you might be interested in signing up with me.

I would appreciate any ideas you may have to help me.

Once again many thanks.

Martyn.

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 5:32 am

well glad to hear that..
you wrote.."Is a PHP nuke site just for the experts and not for those who struggle to get that perfect site first time around? Should a php nuke site be just about php nuke and offer php scripts mods blocks and nothing else? "

Definately no..
Phpnuke as cms can be used for everything,but you already know that.
you name it,even a dutch police officers group uses phpnuke.... Smile

It is used by everybody...

Point is your not a doctor,police officer,dentist,or whatever...you wanna make money with it....thats why the content of your site is to obvious.
Well you cant,not in a way you would like to..
Sure we all have google adsense and some advertisers but thats about it.
Thing is,what works for me or raven or 64bitguy doesnt automatically means that it will work for you..

You have to find your own thing..
I dont wanna get very personal but you already opend the door a litle bit....
Maybe its a good idea to turn around your site for those that fight the same battle as you do..
It would give your site a lot of more value then it has now.

And for Steptoe,the download3000 is a module to sell software as an affiliate and has nothing to do with linking towards software.
anybody can use it.
i had it for a long time myself but i trashed it ,its useless and nobody looks at it or buy's anything.
a good example of something that didnt worked for me.... Smile

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:29 am

Martyn,

You've already passed the first test of survival - you took the critiques, whether warranted or not, without getting hyper-defensive, which would have been very easy to do. That shows maturity and patience. Good luck in your endeavor Cheers

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:59 am

Thanks Raven

Critiques are helpful tools if taken for what they are. Maturity goes with my age, & patience is needed with anything connected with or to the PC. LoL.

I'd like this thread left open and welcome you all to continue helping/critiquing me. Maybe I can return the favour one day.

Regards
Martyn.

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 9:08 am

For further tests and more feedback you should visit a seo forum e.g.

http://www.storebuilder.co.uk/

I´m sure you ll find your way. Good luck. Laughing

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:03 pm

Martyn,
Your attitude is very refreshing.
U just managed to get a pat on the back from some highly respected nuke coders.

Quote:

Is a PHP nuke site just for the experts and not for those who struggle to get that perfect site first time around? Should a php nuke site be just about php nuke and offer php scripts mods blocks and nothing else?

Again no
Im no coder, I just bumble my way thru things.
I started nearly 12 months ago...never made a web page let alone a site in my life.
I just wanted to set up a server, choose nuke, didnt even know what apachie was, no php. I used no-ip domain
I choose a hobbie, kakatiki parrots...could have been camaro, hot rodding , roses.
With in a couple days had members.
Within 4 months bumbled my way to the 1st page of search engines...and decided that it was worth actually purchasing the domain kakariki.net
Now we are tops, not because of GT or meta tags, but because of the content...we now have the top most information on kakariki anywhere of any meduim in the world...member are top breeders and conservationist around the world
This is not a 'brag' it is the way it is.
The site is now moving into political issues with Government depts, we have been approached to make a documentary on the reduluolus NZ Gov policies in this native endangered bird.
Nuke is not just for 'nukers' , add the support of coders, and the right marketing approach, it is a powerful tool.
What Im saying is what we (members, coders,myself) our site is an classical example of what can can be achieved with nuke...
You have the right attitude to do the same. It is not luck, it is time consuming and hard work.